TV criticism Caren Miosga with Joschka Fischer: upgrading is necessary

Joschka Fischer is wearing black leather shoes today. The time of the “sneaker minister” is long gone. The 77 -year -old Foreign Minister a. D. sits in a white shirt, brown jacket and round horn glasses in front of Caren Miosga, who wants to discuss the need for upgrading in her talk show. Only the Bluejeans, which looks out under the table, still reminds of the politician's rebellious beginnings. 40 years ago, Fischer was sworn in in white sneakers – which was still called sneakers at the time – as a Hessian minister and became the symbol of radical pacifism of the Greens.

But in the nineties, Fischer not only took off the sneakers, but also the pacifist attitude. Today he speaks openly for Europe's military strengthening. “You should always assume the worst,” he says with a view of Donald Trump's America and the war that Vladimir Putin wages against Ukraine. “Europe has to take note that we are alone.” The fact that Joschka Fischer at almost 80 years has been moving from a media house to media house and Europe has given up to upgrade tips again, but should have to do with the fact that he has just written a book that wants to be marketed.

Fischer speaks deliberately, takes time for every answer and hardly raises the voice, almost monotonous is his speeches – a clear contrast to the impulsive, quick speeches from before. However, his words are still precise today: Trump willingly destroy the world order in which he, Fischer, grew up. The attack on Wolodymyr Selenskyj in the Oval Office is “a breach of trust that is worse not to imagine”, and an “open betrayal”. The United States is heading for an oligarchy, analyzing Fischer and referring to the proximity between Elon Musk and Trump.

For him, all of this leads to a clear conclusion: Europe has to reflect on itself. “Europe, Europe, Europe, what else?” Says Fischer and points out: “The European countries, even the greatest – France, Germany, Great Britain – are too small compared to the Russian threat. Only together we have a chance together.”

Fischer and Miosga sit at the round table for a good twenty minutes. Miosga asks, Fischer parried. As always, the woman with the blonde bob does this in her own way: Instead of asking her counterpart, she relies on suggestive questions – theses, packaged as interpellations, presented with a eyes and a sly grin, as if she flirt with her guest. “So was that staged?” She asks about Trump's dealings with Selenskyj. “You are worried that the spook is not over after four years?”, Elsewhere. “Merz has to turn away from the West?”

They are questions that require uniqueness. Miosga does not allow her guest to get into the swafeln, she directs the conversation. Fischer cannot get out of it. Instead of reacting with yes or no, as the moderator's questions demand, he lets the seconds pass before speaking. Then he often begins with a calm “I think” before he performs his thoughts.

The moderator would like to talk about the rest of the time about a possible reintroduction of military service. Before greeting two other guests in her studio, a one -player follows who interviews young people of a Evangelical School in Köpenick about their attitude to compulsory military service. The around 35 young people surveyed are majority against the reintroduction of military service. But they mean unanimously: If there is a compulsory conscription, it must also apply to women. “It is under equal right that both or all genders have to make conscription,” says one of the students.

Then, together with Miosga and Fischer, security expert Jana Puglierin and journalist Hauke ​​Friederichs are sitting at the table. A round that struggles primarily on the fact that none of the discussants are younger than 45 years old – and thus directly affected by what is discussed there.

Fischer himself, who acts as a advocate of compulsory military service, was retired at the end of the 1960s. “I was very short -sighted,” he says, to finally admit, the doctor asked him at the time whether he wanted to go to the Bundeswehr – and he rejected that, whereupon the doctor found him unsuitable. Sugged question Miosga: “Would you also have refused with better eyes?” Clear answer Fischer: “Yes.” Open question Miosga: “If Joschka Fischer was 18 today, how would he choose?” Realing answer Fischer: “I have the awareness of a 77-year-old, it is difficult for me to take the trip back and give an honest answer.” And then for the first time that evening energetic: “It is the situation, it is Vladimir Putin, it is his war of attack in Ukraine! What will happen if he will be through? Will he stop? No! He will continue. It is a development that I would not have dreamed of sitting on public-law television and arguing, arming et cetera.”

Then a fisherman suddenly flashes that you remembered – the uncomfortable reminder. Only in this round none of him feels exhorted. The guests answer the questions of the presenter, a conversation with each other never gets going. As so often, the Polittalkarena lacks one vote against.

Journalist Hauke ​​Friederichs, who was the only one to do military service, is invited as an adversary that evening: conscription. However, this is by no means too unattractive for reasons of pacifism, but because the Bundeswehr is currently simply too unattractive – due to its inefficiency and exuberant bureaucracy. He calculates that Germany has so little ammunition in stock that “shot empty” in the event of a few days would be with central weapons systems. He also calls the military capacities of the Federal Republic “Blanker as Blank”. So far, the special fund of 100 billion has hardly changed anything. “The debate about compulsory military service is a sham debate,” he says. Security expert Puglierin does not contradict. She also believes that compulsory military service cannot solve the problems of the Bundeswehr. The training capacity and logistics for the reintroduction of conscription are currently not available.

One would like to hope that Putin does not join in by chance and listens to how Desolat the security experts assess Germany's defense ability. There is probably a reason that the Bundeswehr no longer reveals such information itself.

After so much unpleasant, Miosga seems to want to give her show a positive turn. “What gives you confidence?” She wants to know from Fischer. It is “faith” in Germany and Europe, he replies, and that people are not willing to simply give up their open society and democracy. “We won't submit any crude imperial ideas.” The belief? Then only praying helps.